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This was a post to an E-mail forum that I am on. I thought it belonged here. The author, Pastor Joe Jarvis of the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World agreed. The title is my addition.
It is difficult for me to understand how anyone can call us *(Apostolic Pentecostals) a cult for our views on the "Trinity", and subsequently, Baptism in Jesus' name.
If they would take a look at what their "scholars" have to say on these subjects, they might be surprised.
The "Scholar" exerpts are from the: International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
Scholar:
The term "Trinity" is not a Biblical term, and we are
not using Biblical
language when we define what is expressed by it as the
doctrine that there is
one only and true God, but in the unity of the Godhead
there are three
coeternal and coequal Persons, the same.
Pastor Joe:
The term "Trinity" is not Biblical.
Scholar:
And the definition of a Biblical doctrine in such
un-Biblical language can
be justified only on the principle that it is better to
preserve the truth of
Scripture than the words of Scripture.
Pastor Joe:
The words of the Scripture do not say what they mean.
Scholar:
....(the doctrine of the Trinity) ...embodies a truth which
has never been
discovered, and is indiscoverable, by natural reason.
Pastor Joe:
This doctrine cannot be understood.
Scholar:
Triads of divinities, no doubt, occur in nearly all
polytheistic religions,
Pastor Joe:
Polytheism... their word, not mine.
Scholar:
New Testament Usage: But the New Testament itself makes
the whole matter
perfectly plain. The uniform meaning of "dip" for baptizo
and the use of the
river Jordan as the place for baptizing by John the Baptist
makes inevitable
the notion of immersion unless there is some direct
contradictory testimony.
Pastor Joe:
Baptism by immersion only.
*(I add that there is no direct contradictory testimony ;-)
Scholar:
The Formula of Baptism.-- The Formula of Christian
baptism, in the mode
which prevailed, is given in Mt 28:19: "I baptize thee in
the name of the
Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." But it is
curious that the words
are not given in any description of Christian baptism until
the time of
Justin Martyr: and there they are not repeated exactly but
in a slightly
extended and explanatory form.
Pastor Joe:
"Father, Son, and Holy Ghost not used in baptism, until..."
Scholar:
In every account of the performance of the rite in
apostolic times a much
shorter formula is in use. The 3,000 believers were
baptized on the Day of
Pentecost "in the name of Jesus"Acts 2:38; and the same
formula was used
at the baptism of Cornelius and those that were with him
Acts 10:48.
Pastor Joe:
This is certainly not news to any of us *(Apostolics, that is)
Scholar:
Jesus Christ was Lord. Scholars have exercised a great deal
of ingenuity in
trying to explain how, with what appear to be the very
words of Jesus given
in the Gospel of Mt, another and much shorter formula seems
to have been used
throughout the apostolic church.
Pastor Joe:
Ingenious: skilled in inventing new ideas.
Scholar:
Tertullian, nearly half a century later, declares expressly
that the "law of
baptism has been imposed and the formula prescribed" in Mt
28:19 (De Bapt.,
13); and he adds in his Adversus Praxean (c. 26): "And it
is not once only,
but thrice, that we are immersed into the Three Persons, at
each several
mention of Their names."
Pastor Joe:
Their names?
Scholar:
....collections of ecclesiastical canons (Apos. Canons, 43,
50), prove that
the practice of using the shorter formula existed in the
5th and 6th
centuries, at all events in the East.
"Shorter formula = Baptism in Jesus' name"
Pastor Joe:
I have used the Bible Encyclopedia to explain to those who
claim we are so
far wrong, so that they can pay attention to what *they*
have actually said
regarding these heretical beliefs. Here is what has been said by this scholar:
"The term "Trinity" is not Biblical.
The words of the Scripture do not say what they mean. (If you are to believe the doctrine of the Trinity.)
This doctrine cannot be understood
Triads of divinities...occur in...polytheistic religions
Baptism by immersion in the name of Jesus Christ only.
I baptize thee in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost...not given in any description of Christian baptism until the time of Justin Martyr.
In every account...believers were baptized..."in the name of Jesus"
Must be "Ingenious: skilled in inventing new ideas"... to explain away Acts 2:38-39,etc
Three Persons...Their names (Matt 28:19: one name)
Jesus:
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy
words thou shalt be
condemned. Matt 12:37